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The following is the transcript of an interview with Pennsylvania state Rep. Chris Rabb, a Democrat, that aired on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on Aug. 16, 2026.ED O\u0027KEEFE: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We turn now to Pennsylvania State Representative Chris Rabb. He\u0027s the Democratic Party\u0027s nominee in the third district of Pennsylvania. That includes parts of Philadelphia. He is also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Representative, you\u0027re not Congressman yet, but Representative, thank you for being here this morning. We appreciate it.\u00a0STATE REPRESENTATIVE CHRIS RABB: Nope.\u00a0ED O\u0027KEEFE: So I\u0027m curious--REP. RABB: --My pleasure.\u00a0ED O\u0027KEEFE: --and part of the reason why we wanted to have someone like you here, given that you are the Democratic nominee, but also a member of the DSA, what is a voter getting from a Democrat and a member of the DSA like you that they aren\u0027t necessarily getting from a Democrat like Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, who we had on earlier?REP. RABB: That\u0027s a great question. I listened to that segment, and it seems like we have a lot in common. We\u0027re against corruption. We want to fight for working people. We want- we believe that health care is a human right. These are things that we want- increased wages. I support a living wage for all. So I think we have a lot more in common than people would think.ED O\u0027KEEFE: But when he says that socialism is a failed experiment, what\u0027s your response to that?REP. RABB: Well, I imagine he supports Social Security. In a purely capitalistic free market system, we would have no Social Security. We would have no Medicare. We would have no Medicaid. We would have no public education. We would have no interstate highway system. We would not have firefighters. These things are things that are brought to us by different- different views that have molded us into the nation we are today. It\u0027s not one thing. This is not a purely capitalistic society. There is capitalism in China, in Finland, everywhere. Like this is something that we have to understand is a mixture, and it is an evolution. Pure capitalism has never worked. Communism is not something that we\u0027ve seen effectively work. What are we doing to make sure that we are moving in the right direction, though? That we are transforming this nation so that it can take care of everyone. How is it that we have our first trillionaire and we still have veterans who are unhoused?ED O\u0027KEEFE: You know, our news poll out this morning shows that most Democrats have a positive view of socialism, but among all Americans overall, just 35% do. You\u0027ve- you\u0027ve- you\u0027ve you\u0027ve made the argument here so far, but I\u0027m curious: what do you do to try to win over skeptics, the two-thirds of the country who doesn\u0027t think this is a good idea?REP. RABB: Well, I wasn\u0027t running for socialism. I was running for the people of the third congressional district who want a fighter, and that\u0027s something that is more important than the labels that are used in polls because the poll didn\u0027t define socialism. The poll didn\u0027t define capitalism. The poll didn\u0027t define free market system or free enterprise. It didn\u0027t do those. It polled on how people responded to labels that have been put into the ether without any context, historical, any analysis, and I think once you define these things, people can make more informed decisions.ED O\u0027KEEFE: You are running in what is the most Democratic district in America, like 40- plus 40% Democratic advantage, so it\u0027s- it\u0027s perhaps understandable, or that helps explain how a socialist-backed candidate can emerge. But there are others in the Democratic Party writ large--REP. RABB: --No, I have to push back, Ed.ED O\u0027KEEFE: Why is that?REP. RABB: I got to push back. You can\u0027t conflate Democratic performance index with people who support a democratic socialist. I ran for months long before anyone mentioned that I was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. I didn\u0027t run for socialism. I ran for the people. Just because people are more likely to vote for Democrats does not mean that they are inherently more inclined to support this ideology or the other. It just showed that in my district, in my race for the Democratic primary, that I came out 14 points ahead in a four-person race because I was a fighter and I talked about issues that mattered. And socialism did not come up.ED O\u0027KEEFE: Okay, and actually, our poll this morning shows that Democratic voters overall are looking for fighters or people who are certainly promising to do so. I do want to play, however, something that former ambassador, former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said this morning on Sunday Morning in conversation with our colleague Robert Costa regarding the progressive versus rest of the party sort of split or discussion that y\u0027all are having. Take a listen to what he said.[START SOUND ON TAPE]RAHM EMANUEL, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR: This again, I\u0027m about flipping red districts to blue. I\u0027m not about taking blue districts and making them midnight blue. You want to see a raise in the minimum wage? Winning over Democratic districts is not the way to get it there. We\u0027ve got to win Republican districts.[END SOUND ON TAPE]ED O\u0027KEEFEWhat\u0027s your response to the mayor\u0027s strategic argument there?REP. RABB: I think listening to folks who have been institutionalists and corporate Dems is probably the wrong thing to do. When what your own poll shows is that there\u0027s an exhaustion, there is anger at centrists and institutionalists, and this anti-establishment moment, means that we want bold things that are not left or right, but what are the things that are going to move people forward. And hey, take me to Kentucky. I think I can make that case pretty strongly. And as someone who is f...
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